Would I Lie to you?
Sunday, December 5, 2010 by persifler
Posted in Billy Sunday, Charles Finney, Control and Corruption, Evangelist, Fundy-ism, Hyles Anderson, IFB, Religion, Social commentary, SOTL, Sound and Fury, Traditions of Men | Tagged Fundie land | 8 Comments
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Again I don’t see much funny about the whole thing…..I was in Corpus in 74 at the lighthouse and I thought that I had put it to rest…until the other day….
Its sad…and tragic
I guess looking from the outside in…it may be funny..but to expirence these goons up close and personal when you are an adolecent..its not fun or funny.
sorry…… just “John”
Hi John,
Glad you stopped by. I cannot say I know what you went through but I can say I am sorry you went through it. As I came out of the IFB cult I began to see all the abuse and the criminal actions that were covered up in the name of god and for the sake of the Ministry, or as some pretense that exposing the criminals would somehow bring a bad testimony on Christ and the things of God.
That thinking just made me angry. Things like the Lighthouse, New Bethany, HH and all the rest of those Un-regulated, un-supervised, unaccountable, Behavorial Modification Re-education camps should have been investigated and criminal charges brought against all of them. Roloff was no saint, yet the kool-aid drinkers in the fundy bunkers act as if he walked on water and was some pious super saint.
If that is so why is it he flew around the country with four women, none of which were his wife? He died with four women in the plane with him, none were his wife… anyone else would be condemned for that in the Fundy cult… but not one of their demigods. Oh no… not the works sancitfication guru… no, he could do no wrong.
I just have no respect for any of those on the video for the way they have presented the gospel or the reproach they have brought the name of Christ by their unrepentant actions. Would they lie to you? In a heartbeat if it would save their ministries.
I saw this blog on another site and it pretty much sums it up…I couldn’t agree more with his statement…..
I don’t know where everyone else comes from…but where I live we have a word for people like the “Fundy’s…we call them “Hypocrites.”
Robert Nicholson stated:
“When Jesus said suffer the little children to come unto him, do you think he beat them when they got there? And just how do you reconcile the words of Christ, who was so gentle and compassionate to the helpless and downtrodden, with your Old Testament “spare not the rod” mentality? Is there some reason that you fundamentalist types spout the words of Christ until it is time to discipline and teach your children, at which point you revert to the brutality of the Old Testament.”
“Your salvation comes through Christ, but your rules seem to come from Moses and Abraham. If your wife cheats on you, will you and the other men of your community stone her to death? Just how do you pick and choose? Did God tell you that you couldn’t kill your wife anymore, but it’s okay to beat your children for a few more decades?”
nuff said.
Thought for the IFB’s today…..
I don’t mind forgive and forget….
I just don’t want them to forget I forgave.
Well said. Very well said!
I have been away from the blogs for a while..on purpose.
I really don’t know how come except it un-earthed alot of crap that I need to talk about but …it still bothers me.
Thanks for the reply to “mike” on the 12th…Maybe some of the other guys that I was in the lighthouse with will see this and begin to talk all this junk out.
Don I can’t tell you enough…. these people are what some would call fanatics..I call them crazy.
Whats astounding about it is that some are still in business after all this has come out and some light has been shed on it.
One day Lee Roberson from Tennessee Temple Bible College (the dean of schools at the time) had a Christmas gift given to him in the form of a Television…the gift was opened…and then Roberson and some of his “followers” gave it a formal burial…the ceremony was recorded and a copy of it was sent to roloff’s and we all sit there and watched this burial of a tv in the dorm rooms in Corpus..(at the church)
No matter how far you put your head in the sand the world is still out there. I am sure you want to know what could get you in the most trouble there…well…the worst thing you could do is talk about “old times.” If they caught you..the beating would begin…immediatetly..If there were other people around (the congregation) you would be asked to leave the room with them while they had “that look in their eyes” and when you were far enough away they would not give you “licks” they would hit you in the head, face back usually with something that was available..I was hit in the head so hard with a shovel handle I went out for about 10 minutes..when I woke up my ribs were so sore it hurt litterally for about a month..the first week it hurt to breathe. But I still had to work the next day in that damned orchard…all flippin day…and I mean ALL day. I was told later by “Tank” (one of the house brothers) when I went down, two goons from the house Jack Patterson, and that prick Schumaker took turns kicking me in the ribs..
That was for talking about “old tmes”.
You NEVER talked about “old times” NEVER.If you did and were caught…or ratted out..you were gonna pay…and pay DEARLY.
What about looking at the Rebekah girls?…Forget it…when the girls came by we were told to look the other way..to sneak a peek would be a death sentence…
It is just really un-believable that here we live in the year 2010 and this is still going on..just un-believable..
Again thanks…
regards,
John55
Behavorial Modification techniques taken from North Korea and the old Communist Bloc countries for sure.
Wow, John, that makes me sick to my stomach that such “care,” “love” and “concern” is being administered by demons who claim to be doing the “Lord’s Work.”
It greives my soul that I once supported places like that.
I found out that Olen King moved into our area here locally after his arrest after the State shut down the New Bethany(so-called) Home in SC, only to start the Second Chanch Boys Ranch in Danbury, NC. He came here to the Fundie rich atmosphere in this area of NC, won over the local power brokers and went back to his old tricks. Again with NO accountability, and no oversight. Who knows what he has gotten away with? And it all began with Roloff’s re-education concentration camp empire.
John you are welcome to post here anytime my friend.
“It greives my soul that I once supported places like that.”
Not to worry,
Don’t blame yourself or feel guilty about it at all.
I think that most of the congregation did’nt know what was truly going on in the lighthouse or rebekah homes.
Even the ones that may have suspected something was happening could’nt look at it, or chose not to out of allegiance to roloff.
I will tell you this:
One of three things are happening..they either will deny it to the very end, they will say that we deserved it, or the third bunch will tell you that soceity is beating up on them and that God’s church, or in their case, roloff’s name is being destroyed which is “Biblical.”(sigh)
In any event, as I said earlier, they will justify their behavior to the bitter end, and people like yourself who free themselves from cults look back and feel sad, embarressed, sickened, and worst of all, “How could I have been so blind? I have been made a fool of.”
On a positive note, look at all of the people out there who have been spared because of the truth comming out!
I would gladly go through it all again if it could save others from having to suffer at their hands.
Don, I now know that everyone is here for an example…even if its a bad one.
I also know that I have just as much right to be here as anyone else..including roloff and his bunch in Corpus. (I did not know, or understand this, until a few years ago. I thought they were better than me and closer to God than I was.)
I say that because they want you and I to feel “guilty” “worthless.”
“But thank God I going to roloff’s cause he told me I’m going to Heaven, and everybody else is goin’ to hell.”
In my case..I feel like I need to talk about it…Its either that or do something about it..In which case I’d wind up in prison..I guess I still have some un-resolved issues from the past.. I deal with them as best I can…
We all have our demons.
Sometimes talking about it to people like yourself HELPS TREMENDOUSLY! because you were on the outside looking in and I (we) get your prespective on things… I.E. What did they tell you about the homes? What did you think of them at the time? Were there any suspections, rumors in the congregation about these places? Now that the truth is comming out, are they still supporting these places? (I don’t know these things because I don’t go to church anymore..they practically beat God out of me.)
I my case I would really like to know.
Anyway don’t feel guilty about it, if you do they’ve won.
God does’nt want us to feel guilty..He wants a heart that is at peace and greatful. And it took me many, many years to understand this.
Patience is a virtue..but the mother of all virtues is gratitude.
regards,
John55