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So we don’t forget you can watch it here:
http://abc.go.com/watch/2020/SH559026/VD55121488/2020-48-victims-forced-confession%20entire%20episode

*EDIT:  You will need to go to ABC and download their player.  (This will also allow you to watch any of their shows on the internet as well)

http://abc.go.com/

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Another good one from  Jeri Massi @ jeriwho.net.
Again what we have is a moving target and the bullseye is some mythological place in the mind of the observer.  The “Center of God’s Will” is the Holy Grail of the Fundie world.  Some place that will create a spiritual, (if not physical, finincial and emotional) utopia.  Being in the center of God’s will means you are in the zone, in the bubble, in the zen of perfect enlightenment.
Oooops, shhhhh, there’s the secret they don’t want you to see, that the doctrine of “Being in the Center of God’s will” is no different than that of Perfect Enlightenment, Trancendental Peace or whatever other religions call it.  However you label it, it boils down to man’s efforts, man’s abilities, and man’s benefit.  It is the effort to appease one’s god according to rules, standards and opinions of those who observe and judge.
And she has hit the nail on the proverbial head: “Christ is victorious in all that He came to do on earth, and that God brings about every end that He intended from the beginning.”  This does not give us license to sin, but it does take away the burden of the Law, and the power of sin in the believers life.  It also portrays a God who is loving and compasionate and long suffering rather than the Zeuseus poised and ready to hurl lightning bolts at those outside the “Center of his will.”

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See the documentary here:  Jack Chick, God’s cartoonist

Jack is very prolific but also very wrong. Ultimately he leaves salvation in the hands of men.

 

John 6:35-51, 60-65

35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life;  whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen me and yet do not believe. 37 All that  the Father gives me will come to me, and  whoever comes to me I will never cast out. 38 For  I have come down from heaven, not to do  my own will but  the will of him  who sent me. 39 And  this is the will of him who sent me,  that I should lose nothing of  all that he has given me, but  raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who  looks on the Son and  believes in him  should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”

41 So the Jews grumbled about him, because he said, “I am the bread that came down from heaven.” 42 They said,  “Is not this Jesus,  the son of Joseph, whose father and mother  we know? How does he now say, ‘I have come down from heaven’?” 43 Jesus answered them, “Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me  draws him. And  I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets,  ‘And they will all be  taught by God.’  Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except  he who is from God; he  has seen the Father. 47 Truly, truly, I say to you,  whoever believes has eternal life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and  they died. 50 This is the bread that comes down from heaven, so that one may eat of it  and not die. 51 I am the living bread  that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give  for the life of the world is  my flesh.”

 When many of his disciples heard it, they said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus,  knowing in himself that his disciples were grumbling about this, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? 62 Then what if you were to see  the Son of Man  ascending to  where he was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life;  the flesh is no help at all.  The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. 64 But  there are some of you who do not believe.” (For Jesus  knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and  who it was who would betray him.) 65 And he said, “This is why I told you  that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+6&version=ESV

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Here are some bonafides regarding my fundy pedigree. In my posession are:

Rightly dividing the Word of Truth,” C.I. Scofield, Ten outline studies of the more important divisions of Scripture

A Mighty Wind,” Plain Papers on the Doctrine of the Holy Spirit, C.I. Scofield”

Dr. C.I. Scofields Question Box” 1917, Moody Bible Institute

Question #1″Is not the number of Israelites mentioned in Numbers 1:39 contradicted by the numer given elsewhere?

A: The number given in Numbers 1:39 is a mistranslation for which we cannot account, as both the Septuagint and Hebrew have 22,300. It is well to remember that seeming contradictions are often due to mistranslations.

Wonder how many KJV only folks would burn their Scofields knowing that bit of information?

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Want to increase your evangelism effectiveness?

 

Want to see an increase in the number of decisions you get each week?

 

Have we got a Program for you!

 

A Program for those who are serious about growing their church!

 …and don’t forget your breathmints

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Has anyone viewed the alter call as a typical cult trick?

What other “traditional” IFB routines are really mind/emotional control tactics?

Some of the answer is:

Altar calls are a modern manipulation started by Charles Finney in order to be able to make a head count so he would know how effective his manipulative techniques were. There is no “Altar” in a New Testament Church building. The Altar was where either an animal sacrifice was made or inscense was burned. There were no “Altar” calls practiced in the New Testiment Church until Finney started it. Finney did it solely to be able to get a head count of the “decisions” he had successfully brought about.
It has gotten harder to get people down to the “altar” so now all people are asked to do is raise their hands.

As for other mind control tricks, there is the whole range of rhetoric and falacious arguments from the pulpit, Ad Hominem, strawman arguments (here’s a list: http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html#hominem ) most pastors are either religious Sophists or ignorant and unlearned men glorying in their ignorance and lack of education.

One of my favorite tricks is the pregnant pause…… and if the “preacher” does not get an immediate “Amen” or “Preach it Brother” then he will ask for one. And if he’s not getting enough “Amens” or “PIB’s” He will inject his own either with a “Amen?” or a “Now that’ll preach…” or “I don’t care if I am preaching, that deserves an ‘amen’!” These are subtle ways the “preacher” lets “his” congregation know that they need to appreciate his preaching more.

There is always the Immaculate Message announcement as the “self-anointed man of god” mounts the pulpit and stands behind the “sacred desk” and tells what an awful time he has had getting peace about what to preach, when all of a sudden that beautiful song by Sister Peaches Spandexburst  touched his heart and the Holy Spirit gave him the message. This sets up his message as god-breathed and prepares the audience to accept eveything he is about to say is infallable and directly from the throne of god. (kool-aide line forms on the right, bro Jim Jones will be serving today)

Can anyone think of some others?

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Now I understand why Hyles made such a big deal about halitosis, I see the source of the problem.

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In John R.Rice’s  pamplet, “Personal Soul Winning,”  he gives a shout out to Jack Hyles’ pamplet,

“HOW TO BOOST YOUR CHURCH ATTENDANCE.

In it there is a passage:

“If a person is going to be a soul winner he must not be offensive to the people with whom he talks. It is a definite asset for a soul winner to be careful to bathe often, to avoid body odor. Teeth should be brushed, and breath should be tested. Carry mints in your pockets or some good flavored chewing gum which will help keep the breath from being offensive. One of the most damaging things in soul winning is the effect of halitosis. By all means, a soul winner should watch this carefully.”

Bring out the Holy Breath Tester!”
Haaa
“Thy breath be minty fresh go thou and winneth souls”… “Next!
Haaaa……
“Thy breath be most foul and couldst knock a buzzard off a week old corpse at 50 paces. Go thou immediately and brushest thy teeth seven times. Rinse thy mouth with ListerScopetamint after each brushing. Then return here and present your breath for the administering of the Holy breath spray. Then, if thy breath be clean, thou mayest be counted worthy to go forth and winneth souls.”

And here all this time I thought it was the drawing of the Holy Spirit by the hearing of the word of God that sinners came to salvation by Grace through faith.  I had no idea that it was the minty fresh breath of the soulwinner that made the difference.

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Recently I overheard an acquaintance talking about one of his favorite rites or rituals of Spring. He was gushing about how the springtime was when many churches in the area held Revivals. He is right, and for a time in the spring you could almost attend church 7 days a week for a month or more. The more I thought about it the more it disturbed me. The more I began to think on the heretic who began Revivalism in America, Charles Grandison Finney.

I will not recount Finney’s history or his manipulation and lies to gain his ordination. I do want to point to several resources that give that history, and then some that discuss the results of such man centered attempts at evangelism.

A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing
How Charles Finney’s Theology Ravaged the Evangelical Movement
http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/finney.htm

Charles Finney and American Revivalism (WHI) parts 1-4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXYxIYQO8Xs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPXNRE532wY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72W3tmwJNdk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SCjstS3FI0

The Dangers of Charles Finney’s “Theology” (Kielar) parts1-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoQ-bVytIAk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT6rL1bvw3w

In the end if you will honestly consider the damage Finney did to Christianity in America and see how the results of his heresy have influenced much of our form of worship in America today, then you should begin to question those practices. Judge them for yourself: are they Biblical? Or are they merely Man-made traditionalism?
Why do we have such a preoccupation with Revivals? Why do we call so many of our spring and fall meetings “Revivals?” Why do we call those meetings “revivals” before they have begun? What is being revived?

Personally I will no longer attend such meetings. In the past, the ones I have attended were not much more than exercises to stir up people’s emotions. It is much like giving a religious junkie an emotional fix. Everyone comes out of those meetings talking about how good the hard preaching was, how the evangelist stepped on their toes, and what a sweet spirit was there. Was the word of God taught? Was it? People have told me “Oh yes! He preached on sin. Or he preached on this or that.”

I am 46 years old and I have been in church since my mother was able to take me. I have sat through many, many “revivals” and “revival meetings” and I know from all those experiences that by far the vast majority of them were preacher-tainment sermons that were wrapped up with manipulative emotional appeals to get a visible result from the people. The most used vehicles for gauging the success of the meetings is how many you got saved for one and how many came down to the “Altar” at the end of the emotional ride for another.

Now if you have stayed with me this far I have a question to ask. Do you know that the “Altar” was not a device used in churches until after Finney made it fashionable? I do believe there are sincere godly men who truly believe they are doing God’s work that are involved with these Revivalist meetings… and I believe they are just as sincerely and truly wrong. Just as in Finney’s day these Emotional preacher-tainment venues do more harm to the Gospel of Christ than they do good, and leave the people with a false sense: of what the Gospel is, Who God is, and What Grace is; more than we will ever know this side of eternity.

Last questions: You do know that God does not love you any more for the number of “Revivals” you attend… don’t you? You also know God doesn’t love you more for going down to some imaginary “Altar” and praying don’t you? You do know that there is no such thing as the sinner’s prayer don’t you?

And finally: You do know that such a prayer will not save you… don’t you?

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